I’ve decided …

“… I am called proud I know … “

 

that the perfect sociopath would be Mr Elliot of Persuasion.

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21 thoughts on “I’ve decided …

    1. Susan Kaye Post author

      Very true, but Mrs. Clay only swims in ponds that others make. She’s offered opportunities and takes them. William on the other hand is a mover and shaker. He actively ruins. Charles Smith his late wife were ground down by him. Mrs. Smith is actively being harmed by him in the storyline of Persuasion.

      I was going through the book and Elliot’s history is far more detailed and thorough than Frederick’s. There’s a story begging to be told. And I think a modern one might be even more bloody scary to write.

      Thanks for commenting, Robin.

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    1. Susan Kaye Post author

      Not a politician, but a lawyer. I think many narcissists are drawn to politics for the adulation, but true sociopaths would stay in the background of politics so they can work unnoticed and fairly unaccountable. And have access to lots of people who are focused on other people and things. *shiver*

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    1. Susan Kaye Post author

      Oh yes, and when the new Mrs. Weston makes trouble …

      Highbury could be nick named Highbody before it was all over with. πŸ˜‰

      General Tilney is also a candidate for The Austen Sociopathy Society and Gaming Club. And unlike other Regency groups, this one is open to the ladies. Any nominations?

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      1. Laura Hile

        Lady Catherine, like Sir Walter Elliot, is too showy, too obvious.

        We’re looking for underhanded manipulation that is self-seeking and cruel. Not only are the feelings of others unaccounted for, they’re unnoticed. Like other people matter?

        Lucy Steele? Fanny Dashwood?

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    1. Susan Kaye Post author

      Manipulation is a major part of the definition. Fanny Dashwood and Lucy Steele are good candidates, but Caroline is just a thundering cow. And I think Augusta Elton does fit the profile as she is threatening and manipulates with fear.

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      1. Robin Helm

        You didn’t think Caroline was manipulative when she wrote the letter to Jane telling her that they were quitting Netherfield? She implied that Charles would marry Georgiana. She also hid Jane’s presence in London from Bingley.

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        1. Susan Kaye Post author

          There’s not that much personal glee in hurting a person. She wants Darcy for herself, and she wants Charles to marry Georgianna. those are specific results she wants. Sociopaths take pleasure in the game, and the results. Caro, IMO, is not a gamer. I don’t see that she would do more than sulk after Charles and Jane marry and I can’t see her try to bust up the Darcy’s. A sociopath would continue the game even in the light of major changes in the batting order. Mr. Elliot continues to harass Mrs. Smith by not resolving her husband’s estate even though poor Charles is dead. the sociopath likes the game, the result can be gratifying but not necessarily the the best part.

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    1. Susan Kaye Post author

      *shame* I’ve never read Lady Susan. And you’d think we share a name that would be on my list. Just … a … minute. There. On the list!

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  1. Lani

    Lady Susan’s story is the orginal TV mini series, soap, Dynasty, Dallas complete with a heroine who is more beowich than nice. It is hysterical. I found it hard to read but fun to listen to on audio book. good luck

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    1. Susan Kaye Post author

      Oh MAN! What a nut case! This woman seems to be the very definition of sociopath. The clear-eyed intent to manipulate and even harm is stunning.

      “There is exquisite pleasure in subduing an insolent spirit, in making a person predetermined to dislike acknowledge one’s superiority.” Lady Susan is speaking of her SIL’s brother, a flirt who knows Lady Susan by reputation. Lady S has now met him and sized him up quickly enough to know he’s on to her and is now determined to prove them all wrong about her by manipulation them. Wow, what a woman.

      I think Jane Austen and Louisa May Alcott had a lot in common and if Austen had had the same publishing opportunities Alcott had, we might have seen a lot of secret potboilers from her. Or, perhaps, that’s what her sister burned on her death.

      Thanks, Lani, for recommending Lady Susan.

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  2. Pamela Aidan

    What about Mary and Henry Crawford? Henry decides to stalk Fanny Price just so he can corrupt her high morals –although later, it seems, he is almost won by them. And Mary plays with all Mansfield Park’s inhabitants as she tries to bend everyone to her will or at least her way of thinking. They both run rampant over Mansfield Park.

    The other candidate, and perhaps an even more evil one is Mrs. Norris as she coddles and preens the insufferable Bertram children to excess on one hand and goes out of her way to make Fanny’s life bleak and weary on the other.

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    1. Lani

      Henry and Mary have always seemed like bored, socialites. People who must be the center of attention. The Kardashins of the day so to speak. Their shallowness doesn’t give them much sympathy for anyone else’s POV but I don’t think that makes them sociopaths. It makes them manipulative to create drama to relieve boredom. The joke was on Henry as he was almost won over.
      Mrs Norris is a bully. I don’t see her creative enough to be a sociopath.

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  3. Susan Kaye Post author

    I’ve been trying to get through MP for a while now and can’t really say if the two of them are sociopaths. Lousy people can be just plain lousy and not be sociopaths. There’s no special brilliance bestowed by the condition, but I think the key is a complete lack of understanding or caring as to why others don’t see the rightness of their actions. And the need to be the center of attention in any situation.

    What I’ve read points out that if a person is naturally lazy, brutish, and stupid, you will just be that along with the inability to see anyone else’s pov. Including your children. sociopaths can fake it to an extent, but I suspect not for long.

    Henry was likely not sociopathic if he truly felt for Fanny. Mary may be a different story.

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